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Fishing for Support Chat -- MARCH, 2002

[SFishy] so lets get started!

[MrFishy] WELCOME ALL!!!!!

[SFishy] I want to first remind everyone that this is the FISHING FOR SUPPORT chat... recovery oriented

* MrFishy say...thinkin caps on now!

[SFishy] follow our lead and we will let you know when to chime in :)

[MrFishy] comfy sox is a neccesity

[SFishy] I will let MrFishy introduce our topic for tonight

[MrFishy] well...
[MrFishy] now...i know ALOT of people have been asking about the topic....
[MrFishy] and i feel that this topic is VERY appropriate...
[MrFishy] since the time is just around the corner.....
[MrFishy] the topic tonight is....
[MrFishy] BASEBALL!!
* MrFishy hears the low WHAT comming from the room
[MrFishy] now wait....
[MrFishy] hold on a sec....
[MrFishy] did anyone know that a baseballplayer can not achieve his goal seven out of ten times and still be considered an allstar?
[MrFishy] we can take that analogy into the way we take steps in recovery

[SFishy] think about the guy up at bat...
[SFishy] he doesn't have to hit a home run each time to be a good player
[SFishy] getting to 1st base is just as important a part of the game
[SFishy] and the players themselves...
[SFishy] they need each other, and they need their coaches, their managers, to be a good ball player
[SFishy] so this is an analogy that works well for recovery ;)
[SFishy] Lets start off with the people you need in your life to help you move forward...
[SFishy] who are your coaches? your managers? your teammates?

[Eilis] ME foremost
[andy] i have no one to support me
[Jik] myself
[mattsdancer] my boyfriend
[Domingo] my friends
[Isabel_Knight] My friends
[turtledz] Me
[Jik] my husband
[mattsdancer] my therapist
[juliaf] friends
[s] my T
[andy] my kids
[Eilis] then my family friends and T
[Annabelle_Rose] my parents
[Annabelle_Rose] my t
[Jik] friends
[missingmyself] my husband & my doctor
[Rosalia] my dad and my twin sis, because they know about the ED and they help me
[Isabel_Knight] The fish bowl
[harshreality] my friends
[andy] my boyfriend
[newo] friends
[rose_sherman] T, nutritioist, md, motivation
[Jik] people in general
[harshreality] my confidants
[harshreality] hehe
[Annabelle_Rose] my friends
[Jik] who listen and offer a hand
[Isabel_Knight] My surrogate mother figures.
[Jik] so we can help each other
[Domingo] my brain
[septangel] Definitely friends
[Domingo] the bowl
[mattsdancer] the bowl they keep me focused
[rose_sherman] ditto
[Rosalia] yeah, the bowl helps me a LOT too
[bri] friends. pets.
[Isabel_Knight] The families I've worked for.
[slick] T, patients, dietician
[Rosalia] andy is a suck up lol
[Jik] people who make it through very difficult times and stil shine
[newo] yes, pets
[andy] BIBRI
[Isabel_Knight] Therapists
[rose_sherman] family especially my kids
[bri] therapist. doctor. family
[Domingo] my heart
[mattsdancer] i was wondering why i couldn't say anything...lol...i am slow sometimes
[andy] both MR AND MRS
[Isabel_Knight] Kids I've looked after.
[turtledz] me
[harshreality] online friends
[Jik] my grandson and his wide eyed look at life
[Isabel_Knight] Pets
[septangel] my crazy job
[Jik] especially when trying to play with his play bat and ball


[SFishy] Great answers everyone!
[SFishy] it's important for each of us to have a treatment/support TEAM that helps us work on recovery... it's so difficult to walk it alone
[SFishy] and it's important to ask for help

[MrFishy] and a team can be anyone and everyone
[MrFishy] someone to lean on
[MrFishy] someone to hold your hand
[MrFishy] to listen to you
[MrFishy] to challenge you when necessary
[MrFishy] ANYONE who can help you on your path

[SFishy] now... lets look at each of the bases as steps... 1st, 2nd, 3rd and home...
[SFishy] We have to get to first base...
[SFishy] you're up at bat and that's the goal
[SFishy] first based symbolizes COPING STRATEGIES... GROUNDING METHODS...
[SFishy] and doing small things that remind you to take care of YOU...
[SFishy] so how do we get to first base?
[SFishy] What tools do you use? What "bat" do you pick up... what helmet do you wear?

[Eilis] I stop at the thought
[Jik] therapy
[newo] journal
[Kensington] see a therapist
[turtledz] REconize the problem
[septangel] bunt?
[Annabelle_Rose] journal
[newo] talk to friends
[Eilis] and rationalize it
[Jik] self-talk
[Rosalia] asking for help, or telling someone the secret??
[s] i just started therapy
[andy] I DONT KNOW
[Kensington] decide you've finally had enuf
[Isabel_Knight] Recognize that you have a problem and ask for help.
[Kensington] join the bowl
[rose_sherman] How do you get over ambivilance about even picking up the bat??
[newo] take a walk
[Isabel_Knight] Reach out to others around you. Let them support you.
[andy] im scared to ask for help at times
[Domingo] well..... journal, deep breathing, telling the stupid voice that it's wrong- or at least try to
[Kensington] tell your doctor
[zebra] telling secrets is a BIG one
[Jik] promise myself to not dwell on negatives only
[zebra] and just being honest
[zebra] with yourself
[Isabel_Knight] Listening to the part of you that WANTS to get better (opposed to the part tha doesn't)
[Eilis] then if I have a problem with that - I talk it out with someone who caN help me with it
[Jik] and then look for the positive
[Eilis] someone I trust
[missingmyself] gain the courage somehow to call a therapist
[Kensington] recognize that black & white thinking is detrimental
[slick] find things that make me feel safe
[Isabel_Knight] Learn to see the grays.
[harshreality] listen to that true voice
[harshreality] be open
[harshreality] and willing
[Isabel_Knight] Taking small steps and not being put off by setbacks.
[s] crying
[rose_sherman] being open to what the members of your team say and keeping the goal only to get to first
[septangel] listen to the coaches
[Kensington] don't focus on 2nd base & beyond
[Isabel_Knight] I like that rose
[Jik] not look to home before I get to 2nd base
[juliaf] start caring as to wether you should pick up the bat to get to first base
[Eilis] good point kensy
[missingmyself] very good point kensy
[Eilis] now is now - future worrying is a bad trance
[Domingo] oops i hit a foul ball
[poetballerina] yo yo
[Rosalia] poet!!!!!
[andy] im scared to get up to bat
[Kensington] buy positive recovery books
[Isabel_Knight] Find activities you like and are good at to build up your confidence and self-esteem.
[missingmyself] i hear ya andy
[Jik] lol - don't worry about who's catching the ball just run like the dickens
[andy] scared i might strike out
[septangel] Do something you enjoy at least once a week
[Isabel_Knight] Accept that you have a problem.

[SFishy] excellent answers!


[SFishy] and I'd like to address a few things :)
[SFishy] Remember, even the BIGGEST ball players in the league get nervous...
[SFishy] and they still get paid even when they strike out ;)

[MrFishy] butterflies galore!

[SFishy] striking out is part of learning how to play a better game
[SFishy] so you know how to avoid some of those "curves" next time

[MrFishy] hits AND misses are part of the game

[SFishy] so you can DEAL with that curve ball thrown at you!
[SFishy] So... we've all gotten to 1st base...

[MrFishy] going to "bat" and TRYINE is the important part

[SFishy] we're standing on first base... and we have to get to 2nd...
[SFishy] what are you going to do to get to second base?

[Kensington] telling people close to you that you need help
[slick] trust that it is possible
[Eilis] sk for help
[Isabel_Knight] Share your TRUE feelings.
[andy] Scream every once in awhile
[newo] talk talk talk
[Isabel_Knight] Use a journal.
[Rosalia] go to a doctor, therapist, or friend and tell them th thruth
[rose_sherman] be open to new ideas
[andy] let it out and not suck it in
[Kensington] make sure you are honest with your therapist even when it hurts
[poetballerina] allow yourself not to be perfect?
[septangel] face fears
[Isabel_Knight] good answer rose.
[Jik] I just do it
[poetballerina] allow yourself to fail sometimes and get back up?
[andy] not swallow anger...cuz that festers and feeds your ED
[septangel] quit telling yourself you can't
[harshreality] ahh...suck it up and say things
[Domingo] ask for help again even though i thought i was over, and out of therapy, now im slipping back, so i think realising that i have to face fears
[Eilis] ask when i need it or if I am doing ok with my thought process then I can work my feelings
[s] slide?
[harshreality] ask for HELP.
[juliaf] keep searching until yuo find someone who will listen and not judge you and degrade you
[newo] don't give up
[Jik] I don't let fear of the what if stand in my way anymore
[Jik] I respect myself
[rose_sherman] voice that you like your ED in a twisted way
[andy] can i just run away????????
[septangel] make goals and plans. Not excuses
[Isabel_Knight] Again, listen to the part of you that WANTS to get better (opposed to the part that doesn't)
[harshreality] giving up that stubborn useless anger that hold oyu back form ebing effective
[Jik] and my opinion
[Kensington] join a support group & be heard there
[harshreality] ahhhh...this is EXACTLY what I'm battling right now
[s] me too harsh
[Eilis] oh and keep my limits throughout the process - because this is a base where things can get sticky
[andy] can i renew my contract...re negotiate?????
[Isabel_Knight] Take all the opportunities you can - group therapy, art therapy, support groups, IP if you;re offered it.....
[Kensington] keep your eye on 2nd base, nothing further
[Jik] find someone to lend a non-judgemental ear
[septangel] change the thought process from I am victim to I am survivor
[harshreality] practice saying things
[harshreality] time after time
[rose_sherman] use the chat rooms
[Kensington] post
[andy] SCREAM
[s] cheer yourself on
[septangel] hang around healthy and positive people
[Domingo] denial
[Isabel_Knight] Allow yourself to feel.
[Isabel_Knight] Feel real feelings.

[SFishy] GREAT Answers everyone!

[MrFishy] WOW....KILLER ANSWERS!!!!!

[SFishy] we've got a good team here MrFishy :)

[MrFishy] AWESOME!
[MrFishy] remember...
[MrFishy] baseball...like life....is concentrating on one base at a time.....
[MrFishy] you cant "skip" over a base or your called out!
[MrFishy] in baseball the term is called "playing base to base"
[MrFishy] and you ALWAYS get a new at bat at each game or the next day!

[SFishy] so now we have to get to third...
[SFishy] and this is a little more difficult... the third basemen is a golden glove winner...
[SFishy] the shortstop just won't be stopped...
[SFishy] but we are DETERMINED to get to 3rd base!
[SFishy] so how are we going to get to 3rd base? How are we going to deal with the hurdles laid out before us?

[Isabel_Knight] Never be afraid to reach out for support.
[Rosalia] not sure??
[Jik] I remind myself that I've had hurdles before
[Eilis] this isnt a problem when we put ourselves first
[andy] what is a "toxic relationship"??????
[Jik] and that I'm a capable woman
[andy] cant we play softball instead?
[Kensington] realize that you're halfway home & it takes as much effort to back to starting over as it does to head for home
[rose_sherman] ed and safty are opposites
[Jik] who can think for herself
[Isabel_Knight] Believe in ourselves.
[newo] being strong

[SFishy] toxic relationship: relationship/friendship that is unhealthy

[Eilis] I remind myself of what it all really means, and that toxic doesnt help anyone
[Jik] and do for herself
[Domingo] im stuck on 2nd
[Eilis] and to be healthy and happy we need to take care of ourselves first - so I guess I let all the healthy messages...
[missingmyself] how do you deal with a "toxic relationship" when it's your mother?
[Isabel_Knight] Look after ourselves.... keep a careful watch on our own safety.
[s] i can't se past first
[Eilis] get thru my mind and TO my heart
[slick] remembering how much I want to win !!
[rose_sherman] My ed is the way I currently keep unsafe out of old habits
[Rosalia] I'm stuck on 1st still
[andy] i thought i was doing well...but that man on 3rd hates me
[newo] talk to your t
[septangel] if a person isn't good for you...they aren't good for you. Stay away from those that drag you down
[Jik] I put the brakes on if something doesn't feel right
[missingmyself] me too rosa
[juliaf] it is hard to get to third base when the toxic relationship is your parents and one that you can't escape
[Kensington] boundaries - getcha some!

* SFishy sends a signal to you on second base: WILL YOU BE AFRAID TO SAY "NO" when someone asks something of you that you really can't or shouldn't do?

[Isabel_Knight] REminds ourselves of how far we have come in getting to 1st and 2nd - we must be strong players to have got that far, righ?
[rose_sherman] I think they aren't going to renew my contract!!
[Jik] I don't loose respect for myself and if I'm not getting it from others then I terminate the conversation or even the relationship
[harshreality] I broke it up...I found new ones
[s] i am afraid to say no
[missingmyself] if it's my mom, SFishy, then "yes"
[Kensington] afraid at first but after practice, not so much
[harshreality] with people that'll support me for who I am, not who they want me to be
[Jik] I used to be before I learned that I have the right to say no
[Eilis] saying NO is important
[juliaf] i agree missingmyself
[Eilis] being honest too
[andy] ME too....scared that others will not like me if i say NO
[Kensington] saying no when you need to becomes a habit after awhile
[septangel] I limit my contact with my own dad because of the way I feel after talking to him
[slick] oh yeah, definately afraid - i don't think - okay rarely- i can do it
[Isabel_Knight] Believe in ourselves.... don't be influenced by superficial trends ....
[v-ball] it's hard for me to say no because i've been raised to be a 'pleaser'
[andy] love for things to be peaceful in my life
[missingmyself] i've said "no" to my mom....she won't back off....what do i do then?????
[Domingo] i am
[Kensington] surround yourself with positive people
[rose_sherman] If I could get to third i'd call it recovery
[Jik] and let go of any guilty feelings about taking care of me
[Isabel_Knight] Make decisions that are healthy for you.
[Isabel_Knight] Make full use of your support team.
[harshreality] find new guardians and people tha'tll love you
[septangel] do what's right. Not what's popular
[Isabel_Knight] Look after YOU
[Jik] acknowledge that I am an important person as well as everyone else
[andy] sanzo loves peace
[Domingo] i cant say no
[harshreality] find the postive and throw away the rest
[andy] i love peace
[andy] hate conflict
[juliaf] i get called the ungreatful, disprepecting brat when i say no or point out negative things
[Domingo] but i should work to be able to say it
[missingmyself] me too andy

* MrFishy gtes 5 dollars for everyone cant word btw ;)
[Kensington] lol
[harshreality] hehe
[cindyf] recently separated from husband........too toxic
[Isabel_Knight] REmember your life is your life and only YOU can live it. YOU alone ive with the consequences of what you do.

[MrFishy] its used to be a nickel...inflation i guess!
[SFishy] julia: everyone is entitled to their opinion... but it is JUST an opinion... that doesn't mean you don't have the right to say NO

[s] i learned early on that "no" means little
[septangel] I'm divorced. My ex was deadly too
[andy] what is that Mr FISH?
[Kensington] find the difference between "can't" & "won't"
[Jik] Accept opinions are not facts
[v-ball] i'm a peace lover & hate conflict......which is why i've also been designated as the peace keeper in almost every relationship
[andy] my ex was toxic and still is to me
[Domingo] okay i should set boundaries for ME
[Jik] well I need to say g'night all
[SFishy] yes Domingo!
[andy] vball...me too
[Isabel_Knight] Remember you are only human and will make mistakes. Don't beat yourself up for not being perfect.
[Jik] enjoy the rest of the chat
[ferrarigirl] holy cow its packed in here

[MrFishy] v-ball...sometimes facing conflict head on is a means of peace.

[Eilis] remember the difference between what is and what I allow myself to be convinced of what is
[andy] what are boundries and how does one set them???????
[Kensington] ooh good one eilis
[ferrarigirl] can someone fill me in?
[Eilis] :)
[missingmyself] i've tried to set boundaries....but whatever i do, they're not abided by....what do i do then?
[Kensington] boundaries take practice
[Isabel_Knight] ferrarigirl the question is about setting healthy boundaries for yourself....
[Isabel_Knight] Dealing with toxic relationships.
[v-ball] the hard part for me is when my parents have a fight......my father counts on me to resolve it, or at least listen to him like he's right, no matter what
[septangel] boundaries.... It's setting limits for yourself and sticking to them

[SFishy] keep reenforcing them Missingmyself... EXPECT that people will respect them, and point out to them when they don't!

[andy] ^needs help on boundries....anyone up to that challenge?????
[Isabel_Knight] Hi cheerchic
[ferrarigirl] oh, great topic, what should we do?
[Domingo] sometimes when i set boundaries my friends think im being a pric
[CnUcheerchicBg] hello isabel
[andy] im called a bitch when i do....set boundries
[Isabel_Knight] Choose friendships that are healthy for YOU
[septangel] Friends respect boundaries
[Kensington] boundaries require that you respect yourself & you expect others to respect you
[juliaf] (((missingmyself)))..i can totally relate
[ferrarigirl] they may think that dom, but in the long run, they will respect you
[andy] ohhhhh......i dont like me
[missingmyself] it's my mom that doesn't abide by them.........honestly i don't know what more to do........she's extremely controlling
[septangel] someone who triggers you into doing something harmful is no friend

[SFishy] for example andy... setting a healthy boundary for yourself would be not to let people talk to you a certain way in public... like to insult you...

[harshreality] my friend set a perfect example of using her voice today...and although I'm mad, she was honest and clear cut, and things got resolved

[MrFishy] domingo...if taking care of you means being a pri**...then...so be it...cause Ill be one EVERYTIME! :)

[rose_sherman] boundries are the opposite of feeling like i am inherntly bad
[Isabel_Knight] Working on getting to love yourself.
[missingmyself] (((juliaf))))
[Domingo] okay.... its probably some of my distorted perception
[Isabel_Knight] Have faith in yoursef.
[andy] how does one learn to "love themselves"?
[Isabel_Knight] Remember you're specia.
[septangel] accept that not everyone has to like you
[Domingo] oooh septangel that's me !
[Isabel_Knight] Andy, it takes time.
[septangel] yeah..me too for the longest time

[SFishy] really great answers everyone!

[MrFishy] AWESOME shares!

[SFishy] Getting to third was a hard one...
[SFishy] learning to set healthy boundaries is difficult

[MrFishy] VERY!

[SFishy] and dealing with or getting away from toxic relationships/friendships can be very hard

[SFishy] but it is not impossible!


[SFishy] We CAN get past that shortstop and 3rd basemen!

[MrFishy] one quk note....
[MrFishy] in baseball...
[MrFishy] when going to third....
[MrFishy] the play is always happening behind you....
[MrFishy] and the key is to RELY and TRUST your coach to help you to know when to slide or go in standing up!

[SFishy] and to have FAITH in what you yourself are doing!

[MrFishy] without a doubt!

[SFishy] so...
[SFishy] one base left... we have to get to homeplate
[SFishy] we have to get home...
[SFishy] Homeplate symbolizes SELF-VALIDATION... SELF-RESPECT... SELF-ESTEEM
[SFishy] and Mike Piazza (catcher) is waiting for us... he REALLY wants to tag us out!
[SFishy] but we WILL score the run!
[SFishy] tell me...
[SFishy] how are we going to get to homeplate?
[SFishy] what are we going to do to get there?

[andy] im going to be honest.....those three things ...i dont have for myself!!!!! HONEST!
[s] run like the wind
[lilsweetie] talk to our T's
[Eilis] I am gonna remember I have good judgement
[septangel] can you steal home?
[lilsweetie] learn to trust people
[harshreality] a CHAIN!!!!!!
[Eilis] and I can trust my support team so
[harshreality] we talk to people beyond our Ts..
[Kensington] remember to validate myself for all the work i've already done
[harshreality] lol
[missingmyself] LOL septangel
[Isabel_Knight] Love ourselves, believe in ourselves, have faith in ourselves and look after ourselves.
[rose_sherman] lol
[Eilis] i can rely on them for honesty and recognize it as real as well as
[Domingo] i am going to keep setting my boundaries,,,,,
[Eilis] decipher thet for myself
[harshreality] and to look back and see how far we've come

[SFishy] sept: you can steal home this time, but that doesn't solve it for next time you're standing on third base ;)

[andy] M/M fishy.....how does one find those three???????
[lilsweetie] be truthful to ourselves and really look at where we're going
[harshreality] and take pride in knowing that it's one more ste
[Isabel_Knight] Never be afraid to turn back to our support teams if we find ourselves slipping back. Support is always there.
[Eilis] which means setting my boundaries, taking care of me, not allowing distorted thoughts into distorted feelings etc
[septangel] dang... this is where I'm stuck..somewhere between third and home
[Domingo] never be afraid to reach out and ask for it when you need it

[SFishy] andy: start with one of them first... what can you do to learn to validate YOURSELF?

[Eilis] and BEING HAPPY :)
[septangel] in a run down , I think
[Isabel_Knight] Remember what a long way we have come...... we can't throw it all away now... that would be such a waste.....
[Kensington] keep practicing our boundaries & things so they become total habit
[v-ball] it sounds like it's so much easier when you have a support team...all i have is my friends
[andy] i dont know
[harshreality] I'm almost at second...
[harshreality] ALMOST
[andy] i really dont
[juliaf] block out the negatives you recieve from others and trust what you believe in yourself and try to go with that
[cindyf] acknowledge every step i take
[rose_sherman] realize that despit all the s__t we are good and deserving and there is a lot to life that having an ed robs us of

[MrFishy] sept...remeber...a rundown doesnt necessarily mean your out! :)

[Isabel_Knight] v-ball I don't have a support team right now either.
[Kensington] concentrate on the base & run
[harshreality] jeez...a solid 7 months of therapy and I'm still here. lol
[septangel] :) Def not...
[Isabel_Knight] Remember you're specia.
[Eilis] I look at mistakes as lessons and respect them - as long as I learn from em and that makes me feel good too
[Isabel_Knight] Harsh, 7 months is nothing! Try 7 years!
[Kensington] remember that no one did recovery "perfectly", everyone falls
[harshreality] isabel! but your ED didn't last for a mere 3 years...
[septangel] There's still a little fear left...Somehow...I have to overcome that LAST little bit
[harshreality] ahhh! yes...fails over and over again
[andy] i thought that when i got divorced that i would gain all those three
[rose_sherman] if we spent the time at third thinking about whether to run or not we won't get there

[SFishy] good reminder Kens... everyone get called out sometimes! And that's how we learn what to do next time!

[septangel] Like if I get home...there's nothing else to work for
[Isabel_Knight] Remember we are only human. We can't be perfect.
[Eilis] we need to learn from mistakes
[juliaf] try to figure out how to learn from the past and take criticism when appropriate
[Eilis] to be human means to be fallable
[Isabel_Knight] Harsh, my ed actually did last about three years.
[lilsweetie] but once you get to home, then no one will be there to help you out... why would they need to or feel they should anymore?
[Domingo] and its okay not to be right all the time

[MrFishy] ricky henderson who holds the record for the most stolen bases got thrown out hundreds of times...and it NEVER held him back from trying to steal again!

[s] i think it takes confidence
[andy] but all ive gained from my divorce is self doubt and FEAR!!! LOADS OF IT!!!!!!!!!
[rose_sherman] what if you fear getting home will mean the "game" is over???
[septangel] andy, that will pass
[lilsweetie] exactly, rose!!!
[Domingo] yay
[Isabel_Knight] lilsweetie that's not true! Everyone is entitled to support!
[Eilis] and theres a new movie - a true story on a guy from texas
[andy] yeah sept........?
[Isabel_Knight] Its' not only those of us who are sick or have eds who get support!
[lilsweetie] but once you're there, there's no real reason to ask for it
[Eilis] who made it to the pros after he was shut down
[Domingo] yay

[SFishy] rose... the game is never over... just because you RECOVER FULLY doesn't mean life stops!

[Isabel_Knight] Support is always there if you reach out for it.

[MrFishy] andy....that is part of the process.......where will you go from there is the next question :)

[septangel] I was so afriad too... Now, if my ex gives me any grief, I give him the earfull of his life

[SFishy] You'll just be a much better player ;)

[Kensington] the game is really just beginning
[Eilis] coz his kids pushed him :)
[s] can you recover fully, sfishy?
[juliaf] i agree kens
[septangel] I learned a lot from my divorce, I really did. IT's hard andy but sooo worth it
[andy] BIGFISHIES.....i dont know.?????
[SFishy] I did S :)
[Domingo] home is scary
[Isabel_Knight] NOt much chance actually. My parents are canceling their insurance. :-(
[Kensington] anyone can get to homebase!
[Eilis] everyone can :)

[SFishy] home is scary, but we can't stay on 3rd base forever!

[Isabel_Knight] Sorry, meant to whisper
[lilsweetie] but the people who tell you they care only told you that when they found out you were sick
[lilsweetie] sorry if im so negative
[Isabel_Knight] Learn to be happy as the people we are.
[Domingo] i think im still on second but I know with hard work i can get home
[juliaf] hard to stay at home base sometimes though kens
[Isabel_Knight] Accept that we are great people and have made a fantastic journey.
[septangel] I don't know what to do to get from 3rd to home. I don't know what else to try other than just to keep trying

[SFishy] lilsweetie: getting to first base was about surrounding ourselves with people who DO care... now you have to learn to have faith in the face that they really do!

[Kensington] keeping trying is a big thing
[Isabel_Knight] Come to see that you are a much better person without your ed.
[Ensign_Ro] Ya know how sometimes the players run around a bit b4 going to home? Well, maybe that's what we have to do-Run around just a bit, b4 heading home
[septangel] 6 years
[Isabel_Knight] Life is SO much more enjoyable.
[andy] dont know about home plate
[Isabel_Knight] ED = missing out on lots of fun and good times
[s] true true true
[Isabel_Knight] Hi River
[Domingo] ya

[SFishy] Ro: all player have to run the bases many times... and each time they do they learn more and more

[Eilis] its not living to me Isabel
[Isabel_Knight] Having an ED isn't living?
[andy] im going to get tagged...i know it
[Eilis] EXPERIENCE feelings and joy
[s] no
[Isabel_Knight] I guess it's not really. It's just sort of existing.
[Eilis] thats home base for me
[Eilis] good or bad
[harshreality] yes.....feel
[harshreality] even tho you don't want to
[Isabel_Knight] Allow yourself to feel real feelings.
[harshreality] lol
[Kensington] having an ed is having no energy for anything else

[MrFishy] GREAT ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SFishy] GOOD answers everyone!

[MrFishy] wow....we just scored TONS of runs!
[MrFishy] Aint no stopin us now!!!!!!!!!!!

[SFishy] ya know....
[SFishy] there is a point to playing the game...
[SFishy] we want to win!
[SFishy] winning means recovery in our analogy here...
[SFishy] but playing the game is the important growth process...
[SFishy] and HOW we play the game
[SFishy] Recovery is a long hard battle...
[SFishy] but worth it!

[MrFishy] many ups and downs along the way
[MrFishy] and no matter how good a player is...

[SFishy] Can everyone tell me...

[MrFishy] he ALWAYS practices before each game

[SFishy] why is winning the game, playing the game... and RECOVERY personally important to them?

[Isabel_Knight] I guess we have to learn to live with the fact that the world isn't perfect and we aren't perfect....
[Kensington] cuz life with this ed aint no life
[andy] well im far from perfect
[Isabel_Knight] 'Cos there's so much to gain from it.
[v-ball] it's important to me because it means being able to live life, instead of watching it

[MrFishy] good point v!

[Isabel_Knight] It's a long hard journey but it's worth every last inch of the way.
[s] true, v

[MrFishy] a player not a spectator!

[Eilis] its important to me because I want to live and be happy and love and be loved and have everything I deserve to have
[s] i want my life back
[juliaf] because that life is great and you get to enjoy it
[slick] because i don't want to let the other people win

[MrFishy] EVERY last inch isabel!

[missingmyself] it's important to me so my daughter doesn't follow in my footsteps
[Kensington] it's time to do all the stuff i think i cant do til i "lose weight"
[andy] can i just watch.....maybe ill learn how to play?
[Eilis] its important because I am worth it
[mpty] its important to me b/c its choosing Life over Death.. and playing = choosing life
[s] good, missing
[missingmyself] that's right mpty
[septangel] andy...gotta do. You'd be surprised at what you can do
[rose_sherman] mpty good one
[Isabel_Knight] But it's not a competition.... it's about us as individuals...

[SFishy] you will learn andy... you are learning already by playing with us tonight :)

[Kensington] my life is worth more than any set of numbers
[Isabel_Knight] Finding our own personal happiness.

[MrFishy] andy...remeber...you can leanr MUCH more by doing than by watching!

[harshreality] the group comes vefore te individuall....tha'ts the culture message

[MrFishy] and today you played AND scored!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ensign_Ro] I agree andy!! I want to watch other ppl get a homerun and learn from them
[Kensington] recovery isnt just from the ed, it's learning boundaries & all sorts of things that help out in ALL areas of life
[Eilis] the experience is far better then the movie :)
[slick] are you sure it is possible
[septangel] oh..side note...even the best batters only hit 3 outta 10
[andy] never been good at swingin a bat though....can i clean all the plates?
[SFishy] slick: yup
[Isabel_Knight] Where do you live Harsh?
[v-ball] but you'll never know what it's like until you stand at the bat & hit the ball yourself
[juliaf] because you lern about yourself and with each success and failure you theoretically learn more even if you don't fell like you have
[MrFishy] sept...YOU GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[mpty] to me... playing and choosing Life is not about just SUrViving.. but.. THRiviInG!
[septangel] I'm a team player :)
[Kensington] becuz i've yet to meet anyone who was truly happy being disordered
[septangel] there's no "I" in team
[andy] well hey there mpty
[Ensign_Ro] no I in team, but there is a 'me'!!! lol
[Eilis] hey cant rule out Cal
[s] it's important to hit home base in order to realize our DREAMS!
[Eilis] he showed up for every game :)
[andy] cant i watch????????
[Eilis] no matter what
[septangel] LOL]...that's true
[Isabel_Knight] We have so much to offer in the world.
[Kensington] andy life offers more than spectator sports
[andy] just a game or two?????
[Isabel_Knight] We are all better people for the bad times we have been through.

[MrFishy] AWESOME SHARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* MrFishy hands out trphies to veryone!

[SFishy] It's important for us to think about why recovery is important to each of us personally... and it's a good list to make for yourself!
[SFishy] Everyone did a great job playing tonight...
[SFishy] I don't want anyone to sit there and think they didn't play their best -- everyone did!
[SFishy] so pat yourselves on the back!
[SFishy] and tell me... * MrFishy is PROUD to "play" for this team!
[SFishy] why you are a good "baseball player" -- why are you a good person -- and why do you deserve recovery???

[Eilis] coz I am
[Kensington] cuz i'm a human being damnit!
[Eilis] :)
[mpty] Why? Because I AM
[s] because i am talented
[Isabel_Knight] I'm a good friend.
[v-ball] i deserve recovery because i did nothing to deserve the eating disorder in the first place
[Isabel_Knight] I was a great nanny, when I worked.
[MrFishy] LOUDER
[rose_sherman] I AM!!!!!
[lilsweetie] i deserve to feel special
[MrFishy] LOUDER
[septangel] I AM I SAID
[missingmyself] I'M MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
[lilsweetie] i don't need this
[Eilis] hurts my throat Tony
[Isabel_Knight] I have so much potential.
[s] lol eilis
[slick] b/c i am capable of making a difference & making it better for others - which makes it worth it, no matter how hard
[Eilis] :)
[lilsweetie] i want to live up to my potential
[juliaf] this has been a hard one lately to believe
[septangel] Cause my kids and cats would miss me
[rose_sherman] I hav3 a lot to give
[Kensington] RUN FORREST RUN!
[Isabel_Knight] I like to hep others.
[Ensign_Ro] lol, my downstairs neighbor called to complain that all of our yelling is bothering him!! lol

[MrFishy] julia...even the greatest hitters have "slumps"

[Isabel_Knight] Is it OK to want to help others or does it always have to be about looking after yourself first?
[septangel] We'd be short bowler on my Thursday night league
[Kensington] gotta reboot, brb
[Isabel_Knight] Ha ha Ensign!!
[Eilis] humanity deserves us :)

[MrFishy] isabel....helping others is GREAT...but it can NEVER come at ones own expense!

[slick] Dr. Seuss warned us "unslumping yourself is not easily done" -- but in does happen
[juliaf] perhaps because i was helpful in the past and have something to contribute when i am well
[Ensign_Ro] Yeah, I AM good, huh!!! I love making corny jokes
[Isabel_Knight] I can help others through what I have been through myself.
[Isabel_Knight] But sometimes I am better at looking after others than looking after myself.
[s] i just want to smile for a da
[s] day

[MrFishy] isabel....thats also a way to avoid one own needs if not careful

* Eilis reminds Mr Fishy of the minimum wage of major leaguers
* Eilis thinks: and we played well
[rose_sherman] I need to find a way to feel the control I get from my ED in healthy productive ways
[septangel] Because..ThE BEST IS YEt to COME and I don't want to miss it
[MrFishy] yups elis.....MUCHO dinero!
[Eilis] :)
[andy] hey M/M Fishy??????
[MrFishy] si andy?
[andy] know any good books on learning how to play baseball???????
[Ensign_Ro] ((((newo))))
[andy] im a bit rusy
[andy] rusty
[Isabel_Knight] LIfe is so much fun - the world has so much to offer.
[juliaf] if you recover you can offer more to society as opposed to draining it
[septangel] My son plays little league...you can come watch
[newo] ty, having puter problems

[MrFishy] andy.....buy your self a book by SARK........that will help you get to the plate and further!

[Isabel_Knight] We don't even have baseball here in England.
[Eilis] if u recover juliaf u offer more to YOU
[s] agreed
[nat_oo] SARK?
[andy] Sark?
[s] sark rocks
[septangel] There's Cricket

[SFishy] okay everyone...
[SFishy] it's time for us to wrap up...

[slick] It is not specific but I find much motivation in it when nothing else works and that is Oh the Places You Will Go by Dr. S
[mpty] With all the money spent on bills.. i can go to CLUB MED instead!!!

[SFishy] BTW... SARK is an aewsome inspriational author!
[SFishy] you can go to www.something-fishy.org
[SFishy] and go to the books section (under recovery) for some of her work
[SFishy] and how to buy it!

[SFishy] we'll be posting a follow-up game to tonight's chat in the FISHING FOR SUPPORT forum on the bulletin baord...
[SFishy] so be sure to come over and play :)
[SFishy] and thanks so much everyone! thank yourselves for the great job you did!
[SFishy] never give up running towards homeplate!


[SFishy] see you all next month!
[SFishy] take care of YOU!!!!!
[MrFishy] BE good to you!

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